TEC Updates: San Joaquin and now, Pittsburgh?

Details on San Joaquin’s inhibition can be read here and here.

And now, Pittsburgh is on the cards too. Read here and here.

Ed’s observation: TEC should consider whether she is closing whatever channels still left for reconciliation by taking such punitive actions and going against the advice of the Primates at Dar Es Salaam.  The rest of the Communion will not sit idly by.

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  1. Bishop Ijaz Inayat Says:

    I don’t think the Communion should have sat “idly by” until now. Wherever there were issues they needed to be settled according to the teachings of the Bible which all Christians are supposed to read, teach and put into practice in order to prepare for the second coming of Christ.
    This is what the CCP is trying to do and I invite “rest of the communion” to join.

  2. Alice C. Linsley Says:

    The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church is intent on setting her own house on fire.

    Anyone who knows Bishop Duncan recognizes that this action against him isn’t about doctrine and discipline. TEC’s leadership has no core doctrine and knows nothing of Church discipline. This failed attempt to inhibit Bishop Duncan actually came beore the attempt to inhibit Bishop Schofield. Senior bishops of TEC signed Schofield’s inhibition knowing that it would mean nothing since he was already under the jurisdiction of Archbishop Venables. In Bishop Duncan’s case they refused to sign. It will now go before the TEC House of Bishops, but before that meeting, the fire may have already consumed the TEC house.

  3. teddymak Says:

    “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls.”

    Here they come.

  4. Gerry OBrien Says:

    Seems that KJH just cannot help herself, she is determined to destroy whatever she can in TEC and to show herself as the true walker of the evil road that she has ordained herself to walk within TEC.
    God Bless Bishops John David Schofield, Bob Duncan, Jack IKER AND others who will surface as TEC continues to crumble.

  5. Bryden Black Says:

    What is most curious and most alarming is the fact that suddenly all these inhibitions arise, when previously, in the cases of Pike to Spong (for example), barely a hair was ruffled.

  6. Gerry OBrien Says:

    Bryden:
    Strange isn’t it that this is curiously much like the fact that nobody listened when they were given information about events that could unfold prior to 9/11.  Then what happened.  Our world has changed forever in the secular sense because of 9/11——but——nobody listened.

    Is this a strange thing about our humanity, that we don’t listen very well.  We are blind and then we see. 
    What has happened to discernment?
    We are told, over and over in the Holy Scriptures to be on guard for false prophets, for wolves in sheeps clothing and so few actually see it until it is all around us.

    O Lord, open our eyes fully that we shall see, that we shall hear, that we shall discern and that we shall act with wisdom BEFORE these evil ones throw us into such conundrums.

  7. Alice C. Linsley Says:

    It is often true that things have to get much worse before they get better. The fact that some “senior” bishops of the Episcopal Church refused to sign the letter inhibiting Bishop Duncan indicates that there is discontent with the regime of KJ Schori and her henchmen in New York.

  8. Alice C. Linsley Says:

    “The Diocese of San Joaquin continues to move forward, motivated by the momentous consensus of our convention in December,” the Rev. Canon William Gandenberger, canon to the ordinary, told The Living Church. “The Bishop of the Diocese of San Joaquin is a member of the House of Bishops of the Southern Cone of South America and under their authority. Therefore, the actions of the Presiding Bishop of The Episcopal Church, in broken or impaired relations with more than half of that world-wide Communion, have no authority over our bishop or this diocese. Rather, Bishop Schofield continues to function in all the capacities of a bishop in good standing within the Southern Cone and the Anglican Communion.”

  9. Gerry OBrien Says:

    May God Bless Bishop John-David Schofield and the Diocese of San Joaquin.  What wonderful courage and discipline being shown.  What a wonderful example to the Faithful.

      May God also Bless Bishops Donald Harvey and Malcolm Harding formerly of the Anglican Church of Canada, who along with others are leading the pilgrimage of the Faithful OUT of the Anglican Church of Canada into the Southern Cone.

    May God also Bless Bsps. Jack Iker and Bob Duncan and all the Faithful who are moving on or preparing to move on OUT of TEC.

    Pray for the Church in New Zealand that the Faithful there may find a way to be free from the overzealous liberals in the 3 Katanga there.

  10. Alice C. Linsley Says:

    Gerry, forums such as this are a good place to ask for prayer from your Anglicans brothers and sisters. May God grant you all grace to love His Incarnate Word in all that you do and say.

    Bishop Iker’s Letter (excerpt following) is here: http://www.fwepiscopal.org/bishop/message010908.html/

    “A Message from Bishop Iker to all Clergy and Convention Delegates of the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth

      Yesterday was a rather interesting day, and I wanted to make certain that all of you were aware of the following events:

    BISHOP SAM HULSEY, the retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Northwest Texas, hosted an organizational meeting yesterday afternoon at his home here in Fort Worth for all clergy of this Diocese who are opposed to the decisions made by our Diocesan Convention in November and who are committed to keeping this Diocese in The Episcopal Church, no matter what. Though I was not given a list of those invited, I understand that only two or three rectors attended and that the rest were a handful of retired priests and a couple of deacons. Of the 14 clergy who voted against the constitutional changes in November, it is believed that half are retired or non-parochial.

    I have received a second threatening letter from the Presiding Bishop, Katharine Jefferts Schori. Interestingly enough, it arrived on the same day as the meeting convened by Bishop Hulsey. As you will recall, in a much-publicized letter in November the PB had threatened me with disciplinary charges of “abandonment of the communion of this church” if I permitted the Diocesan Convention to vote on the proposed constitutional revisions that were put before us. This time she threatens me with charges of a violation of my ordination vows if I continue “any encouragement of such a belief” that parishes and dioceses can leave The Episcopal Church. Well, so much for an invitation to dialogue and conversation! It’s all about threats of dire consequences if you don’t comply with the party line.

    BISHOP BOB DUNCAN of Pittsburgh was officially charged with abandonment of the communion of the church on this very same day! Though the Review Committee endorsed the charges brought by the PB, the three senior diocesan bishops would not consent to his being inhibited from functioning as a bishop, as they had done in the same charges brought against Bishop John-David Schofield of the Diocese of San Joaquin just last week. The essential difference in the two cases is that San Joaquin approved measures to separate from The Episcopal Church with a second, ratifying vote on December 8th, whereas the Pittsburgh Convention approved of their measures at the preliminary, first reading vote in November, an action which will need to be ratified at the 2008 Convention. Fort Worth is in the same position as Pittsburgh.”

  11. Gerry OBrien Says:

    Dear Alice:
    Thank you for your words.  I am having difficulty donnecting to the URL in your post No. 10. must be on my end.  Regardless, we must lift up these courageous people in prayer, In Jesus’ Name, Amen.

  12. Bryden Black Says:

    Thanks Gerry and Alice; I like this explicit prayerful tone! DG!  And yes; you guessed it: I am these days residing in NZ, where there is a “curious” mixture of folk.  Consequently MUCH discernment IS required - both for truth’s sake and charity’s sake. 
    Beyond that ... one further thing: it’s “Tikanga”, which means ‘stream’ or thereafter ‘strand’, referring to our (also perhaps curious)Constitution wrought out of the 1980s and established in the 1990s.  See http://www.duomo.ac.nz/acnz for our own official response to the Covt Draft.

  13. Steven Berry Says:

    PB Katharine Jefferts Schori is dead set on destroying traditional Christian belief and practice.

    “In necessariis, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas” or “in essentials, unity; in doubtful matters, liberty; in all things, charity”, is a phrase, attributed to many different persons, including St. Augustine (though perhaps he was not the author of it) and is quite useful in our ongoing discussions of the current crisis facing the Anglican Communion.

    From my perspective, the issues that are dividing the Communion are no longer limited to; “dubiis” doubtful)  matters, but have clearly moved into the “necessariis” (essentials) teaching arena.

    All should agree that godly men (and women) can and are free to differ on non-essential teachings, but when one begins to deny the core beliefs of the orthodox faith, it should be a wake-up call for all.

    May I remind everyone of 10 questions that were put to PB Katharine Jefferts Schori by Time Magazine?

    Time Magazine
    Monday, Jul. 10, 2006
    10 Questions For Katharine Jefferts Schori
    By JEFF CHU

    Rough waters aren’t new to Katharine Jefferts Schori, 52, a former oceanographer who is the Presiding Bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. Bishop Katharine, as she’s known, takes over a denomination rocked by controversy at home and abroad for its liberal stance on gay clergy. She talked with TIME’s Jeff Chu about her mission of social justice, the relationship between science and religion and whether faith in Jesus is the only path to heaven.

    Q. What will be your focus as head of the U.S. church?
    A. Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus.

    Q. The issue of gay bishops has been so divisive. The diocese of Newark, N.J., has named a gay man as one of its candidates for bishop. Is now the time to elect another gay bishop?
    A. Dioceses, when they are faithful, call the person who is best suited to lead them. I believe every diocese does the best job it’s capable of in discerning who it is calling to leadership.

    Many Anglicans in the developing world say such choices in the U.S. church have hurt their work. That’s been important for the church here to hear. We’ve heard in ways we hadn’t heard before the problematic nature of our decisions. Especially in places where Christians are functioning in the face of Islamic culture and mores, evangelism is a real challenge. [But] these decisions were made because we believe that’s where the Gospel has been calling us. The Episcopal Church in the U.S. has come to a reasonable conclusion and consensus that gay and lesbian Christians are full members of this church and that our ministry to and with gay and lesbian Christians should be part of the fullness of our life.

    Q. The Archbishop of Canterbury, who leads the Anglican Communion, wrote recently that a two-tier Communion may be a solution. What did you read in his message?
    A. The pieces that I saw as most important had to do with the complexity of the situation and the length of time that this process will continue. He’s very clear that we’re not going to see an instant solution. He’s also clear about his role: it is to call people to conversation, not to intervene in diocesan or provincial life—which some people have been asking for.

    Q. There’s much debate about whether science and religion can comfortably coexist. You’re a scientist and a pastor. What do you think?
    A. Oh, they absolutely can. In the Middle Ages, theology was called the queen of the sciences. It asks a set of questions about human existence, about why we’re here and how we should be in relationship with our neighbors and with the divine. And science, in this more traditional understanding, is about looking at creation and trying to understand how it functions.

    Q. What is your view on intelligent design?
    A. I firmly believe that evolution ought to be taught in the schools as the best witness of what modern science has taught us. To try to read the Bible literalistically about such issues disinvites us from using the best of recent scholarship.

    Q. Is belief in Jesus the only way to get to heaven?
    A. We who practice the Christian tradition understand him as our vehicle to the divine. But for us to assume that God could not act in other ways is, I think, to put God in an awfully small box.

    Q. Pastoral work can be all-consuming. How do you relax?
    A. I run regularly. I like to hike, and I take one long backpacking trip a year. Flying is also a focusing activity. I come from a family of pilots, and it’s always been part of my experience. It takes one’s full attention, and that’s restful in an odd kind of way. It takes your mind away from other concerns, not unlike meditation.

    Q. Do you have a favorite Bible verse?
    A. Chapter 61 of Isaiah is an icon for me of what Christian work should be about. That’s what Jesus reads in his first public act. In Luke, he walks into the synagogue and reads from Isaiah. It talks about a vision of the reign of God where those who are mourning are comforted, where the hungry are fed, where the poor hear good news.

    Q. What is your prayer for the church today?
    A. That we remember the centrality of our mission is to love each other. That means caring for our neighbors. And it does not mean bickering about fine points of doctrine.

    The end of the Time Magazine article

    Whether Jesus is the only means of salvation should never be relegated to simply “bickering about fine points of doctrine”.

    As for her views on teaching evolution in schools; it is pure nonsense. As I have always said, If you can believe Genesis 1:1, the rest should be no problem.

    John 1:10 “He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”

    Col 1:16 “For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him.”

    Again the issues are really dealing with the authority of and obedience to the Word of God.

    Steve

  14. Bryden Black Says:

    Wonderful riposte Steve!  And you are right to cite it: the Latin will do - whether Augustinian or not!

    I am in no doubt that we are dealing with matters at the very heart of the Gospel and its veracity at this time in the Anglican Communion.  (Coincidently, I have just come out of a meeting with a dear friend who is preparing a talk for next week on truth.  In 20 mins we canvassed - short hand - the Greeks, Empiricists, Rationalists, et al, to conclude with the necessary Trinitarian formulation of the three transcendentals.  Yet how to package that for 20+ year olds so that they can get under the skin of why their own culture ‘presents’ things often so differently?  Our attempted answer: via the power of literature, with notions of parable and metaphor, exemplified by the Fourth Gospel duly laced with irony: just so too Kierkegaard.  Which of course many modern films also package helpfully - tho’ perhaps outside Hollywood!)  And because we are dealing with deeply personal truth, you are right to table the Time Interview.  It offsets well those decisions taken now by those dioceses and their bishops under discussion in this thread.  Indeed; it makes it ... both clear and pretty obvious!  Which is why (Eph 6:10ff) we all need especially prayer at this time ...

    Pax et gaudium, as St Aug used to say!

  15. Steven Berry Says:

    Pax et gaudium (peace and happiness).

    As always, it is a joy to read something from the honorable Bryden Black.

    χαρις υμιν και ειρηνη πληθυνθειη εν επιγνωσει του θεου και ιησου του κυριου ημων.

    For those who may be a bit confused… 2 Peter 1:2.

    God Bless

    Steve

  16. Bryden Black Says:

    wot! no accented Gk text ...
    nite Steve: bon reves avec les anges bleux et roses - a childhood ditty it is NOT!

  17. Steven Berry Says:

    Bryden,

    As you probably know, being the stickler for historical accuracy that I am, the Greeks didn’t originally use accents… so there! Accents were introduced in 200 B.C. as a pronunciation aid for foreigners (non Greek speakers) and they weren’t necessary for reading the language.

    (Actually they don’t show up correctly when I type them. I think it has to do with the markup language this site uses.)

    Blessings

    Steve

  18. Bryden Black Says:

    Another suitable riposte! 

    Yes; reve(s) lacks its due hat too!  So now we have both prayers and humour - oops! humor - to aid our weary way: forward and upward, all the same!

    May blessings abound indeed, and upon our dear bishops especially.

  19. GARY MORROW Says:

    RE: #13

    Q. What will be your focus as head of the U.S. church?
    A. Our focus needs to be on feeding people who go to bed hungry, on providing primary education to girls and boys, on healing people with AIDS, on addressing tuberculosis and malaria, on sustainable development. That ought to be the primary focus.

    “That ought to be the primary focus.”

    To think, I always thought the primary focus   was to spread the Gospel and the true Word of God—his Laws, and Commandments.

    Now, I come to find out that the primary focus is the redistribution of wealth.

  20. Steven Berry Says:

    Matthew 13:24-30… interesting.

    “Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [28] He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? [29] But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. [30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”

    This is a very important and illustrative story which, as Bryden correctly informs us, may be applicable to the current situation that the Anglican Communion finds itself in, but perhaps not in the way Bryden meant it. Please don’t take offence my friend.

    Note that in this parable there were two different sowers, two different purposes in sowing the seed, two different types of seed sown, two different kinds of plants that grew, and two different ends at the conclusion of harvest.

    Two different sowers – One, God and the other, Satan.

    Two different purposes in sowing the seed – God desired to grow His Kingdom, a constituent part of which is the Church, while Satan sowed in an attempt to thwart God’s purposes.

    Two different types of seed sown – God sowed the Word of God (the Gospel message) into the hearts and minds of men. Satan sowed religion, man’s philosophy, the flesh;  anything to misdirect the listeners from hearing and being affected by the Gospel.

    Two different kinds of plants that grew – The plant germinated from the good seed make up the Church, those, who through the work of the Holy Spirit in repentance, acceptance, and obedience (i.e. belief or having trusted in the Work of Christ accomplished on our behalf), have been drawn, into the faith. The other plants, which bare an outward resemblance to Christianity, have no understanding of or relationship with God. False plants, if you will. These have a form of godliness, but by their actions and teaching deny the power of God. These men (generic, men and women) are blinded by pride, self sufficiency, manmade religion.

    Two different ends – The Church, the bride of Christ is destined for eternal glory, while those outside of Christ await the judgment of God.

    A few concluding thoughts:

    While to be sure, the two different plants grew together in the same field, but… the field in this parable isn’t identified as being the CHURCH, it is the WORLD (Matt 13:38).

    To use this parable as Bryden suggests isn’t entirely without merit if we look at it a bit deeper and squint hard. (Smile)

    The intriguing point is, that the evil sower sowed “while men slept.” While, contextually, I think that this refers to what St. John states in John 1:10: “ He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not”, but if we make this parable to have application to the current crisis within the Anglican Communion, wouldn’t this evil sowing be accomplished while the Bishops (the leaders of the Anglican Communion) slept? This evil seed has long been planted and is now thriving? The only difference here is that the Scriptures give us instruction on what we are to do in the presence of false teachers and teachings within the Church… purge it.

    Steve

  21. Steven Berry Says:

    Opps! My bad! My last post was in responce to Bryden Black’s post #15 on the “Reaffirming our vows and rekindling our first love: for the sanctification of the Anglican Communion” thread.

    Sorry.

    Steve

  22. teddymak Says:

    My hope is that from this protracted conflict, Anglican Christians conclude that Evil is actual. The elevation of Mrs. Schori, Spong, Bennison, Bruno and the rest of that ilk, to bishop, is a stunning testament to the functioning of an evil intelligence (call it what you will) that intends to harm us, and to destroy Christ’s church.

    That this Evil is not very smart (See Kate Schori’s responses above)does not mean we can take It for granted. A coyote can’t read, but he can sure enough steal your chickens.

    In other words, I think ScrewTape lives, so put a fresh screen around your chicken coop.

  23. Bryden Black Says:

    “To use this parable as Bryden suggests isn’t entirely without merit if we look at it a bit deeper and squint hard. (Smile)”

    Smiling back ...  I am only reading this parable and Matt 18 via a prism (temporarily) formed by the old BCP Collect for Trinity 18.  All of which I reckon still impact upon my own condition ... and probably yours too Steve.  But we are “in heated agreement” brother on the need for tight exegesis, for which my thanks!  And thereafter, “the obedience of faith” to that Word.

    Keep smiling!  Shalom!